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Episode - 14 March 2020
Host: Barbara Heidenreich
Guest: Hillary Hankey
My favorite kind of animal trainers are those who break the rules! What I mean by that is trainers who are willing to question what we have always done and ask whether there might be a better way. That is why I called this episode “Progressive Bird Training.”
My guest Hillary Hankey has spent years analyzing, studying, and practicing both the art and science of training birds. In this conversation, we explore some of the ways rethinking traditional practices can improve training outcomes as well as the welfare of birds participating in educational programs.
We talk about creating motivation, collection planning, the types of behaviors we choose to train, and even how changing guest expectations can influence the way educational bird programs are designed. Hillary also describes the immersive free-flight experiences at her facility and how giving birds opportunities to engage in impressive species-typical behavior can create memorable experiences for the people watching them.
We also take a closer look at free-flight training with companion parrots. Free flight can be incredibly appealing, but it comes with important considerations for both the bird and the trainer. We discuss some of the factors parrot owners should think about when considering free flight and why successful training involves much more than simply teaching a bird to fly back when called.
If you are interested in bird training, educational programs, free flight, or simply questioning established practices in search of better training and welfare outcomes, there is plenty to explore in this conversation.
Scroll down for videos of the training in action.
Videos of Training in Action at Avian Behavior International:
Links to Hillary's Resources Mentioned in the Podcast:
So You Want to Train to Train your Pet Parrot for Free Flight
Part II: Ruminations on Free Flying Parrots and Thoughts for Long Lasting Success
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Guest Bio:
Hillary Hankey is a falconer, professional animal trainer, and behavior consultant. She has been living, breathing, sleeping, and dreaming of flying birds free for decades. Though she grew up with a childhood bedroom filled with parrots – much to her older sister’s chagrin – it wasn’t until she met a good friend in college that she received formal education in training. She began free flying her parrots outdoors under her friend’s mentorship and continued for many years flying and training birds. In 2008, when Hillary moved to San Diego, California filled with hopes and dreams and worked for the San Diego Zoo Safari Park and the San Diego Zoo, training in free flying bird programs. In her spare time, she volunteered consulting at exotic animal education and bird breeding facilities to broaden her understanding of animals. Along the way, she met her match in Andre Mondin, an animal lover that can keep up with the unique lifestyle of living on a farm stride for stride. Because Hillary got her start flying birds in a much more informal way, connecting birds and people in the prairies and hills at the foot of the Rocky Mountains, her desire was to return to her roots, allow birds to fly in more natural way and for people to experience firsthand what birds are truly capable in the skies.
In 2013, she set out to find the perfect property in rural, agrarian San Diego county. Through setbacks and triumph, she founded the ABI ranch, twenty acres with ocean views and glowing sunsets, and set out to realize her dream of creating a space to build an organization based around progressive training techniques, a place safe for ideas to incubate and grow as trainers explore the importance of ethical training methods, and oasis for visitors to enjoy the company of birds that are as excited to see them as the visitors are to have an interactive bird adventure. Similarly, Hillary knew she also wanted to teach other zoo trainers around the world these concepts and ideas to open the doors of the human-animal connection.
Avian Behavior International was a vision of Hillary’s for a very long time, but jumping off can be scary. Entrepreneurship is a challenging life choice in general; basing a business model on a “service” that can fly anywhere and everywhere is darn near foolhardy. Undeterred, Hillary and Andre have enjoyed sharing their love of animals with everyone they meet. It is with hope, enthusiasm, and a sense of reverence that they carefully, transform the property step-by-step they purchased into their vision, a place for discovery, of excitement, and farm that fondly recalls the idyllic childhood Hillary’s father had in these citrus cloaked valleys of San Diego County.

About Barbara Heidenreich
Barbara Heidenreich is a zoologist and animal training and behavior consultant specializing in species managed in zoological facilities. She earned her B.S. in Zoology from the University of California, Davis. Barbara consults internationally with zoos, universities, veterinary professionals, and conservation programs and has worked onsite with more than 90 facilities in 30 countries.
In addition to her consulting work, Barbara serves as an Adjunct Instructor at Texas A&M University and operates AnimalTrainingFundamentals.com, a comprehensive online education program offering hundreds of courses on animal training and behavior. Her work focuses on applying behavior analysis to improve animal welfare through building behavior, contingency analysis, genuine choice, and constructional approaches to behavior change.
Barbara has authored two books, contributed to five textbooks, and co-authored two Fear Free® Avian Certification Courses. She advises the Animal Training Working Group and Parrot Taxon Advisory Group for the European Association of Zoos and Aquaria and serves as Co-Chair and founding member of the Zoological Association of America’s Animal Training Committee. She has contributed to conservation projects including the Kakapo Recovery Program and the Borneo Orangutan Survival Foundation and has received seven awards from zoological trade organizations recognizing her contributions to the field.
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